1 00:00:00,488 --> 00:00:07,488 Mention the phrase UFO crash and Roswell, New Mexico immediately comes to mind. 2 00:00:07,488 --> 00:00:17,488 It is the most famous UFO incident of all time and marks the year 1947 as the beginning of the modern UFO era. 3 00:00:17,488 --> 00:00:23,488 But few people realize it wasn't America's first UFO related incident. 4 00:00:24,488 --> 00:00:33,488 Two weeks before Roswell, another UFO incident took place over Puget Sound in Washington State. 5 00:00:33,488 --> 00:00:39,488 But there are two key differences between this crash in Washington and Roswell. 6 00:00:39,488 --> 00:00:44,488 Two people were killed and there is still physical evidence left behind. 7 00:00:44,488 --> 00:00:47,488 We found some of the rat. 8 00:00:47,488 --> 00:00:52,488 UFO magazine is one of the leading UFO phenomena publications. 9 00:00:52,488 --> 00:00:59,488 For more than 22 years, the publishers have gathered an unprecedented archive of eye witness accounts, 10 00:00:59,488 --> 00:01:03,488 video footage and never before seen documents. 11 00:01:03,488 --> 00:01:08,488 The world of UFO reports, you got 90% of them total bulls***. 12 00:01:08,488 --> 00:01:12,488 The fact is they are 10% that are absolutely real. 13 00:01:12,488 --> 00:01:18,488 In October 2007, based on brand new leads, they reopened the investigation. 14 00:01:18,488 --> 00:01:20,488 Nobody has been able to solve this case. 15 00:01:20,488 --> 00:01:25,488 From underwater retrieval of unknown material, possibly jettisoned by a UFO. 16 00:01:25,488 --> 00:01:28,488 You can't leave any stone unturned. 17 00:01:28,488 --> 00:01:32,487 To the discovery of unidentified debris buried deep within a remote forest. 18 00:01:32,487 --> 00:01:34,487 Is this a UFO site? 19 00:01:34,487 --> 00:01:35,487 Hey guys, check this out. 20 00:01:35,487 --> 00:01:38,487 And analysis of evidence from a confirmed crash site. 21 00:01:38,487 --> 00:01:41,487 Whoa, are we safe? 22 00:01:41,487 --> 00:01:43,487 Is there a logical explanation? 23 00:01:43,487 --> 00:01:47,487 Or is there a connection between this case and the Roswell incident? 24 00:01:47,487 --> 00:01:49,487 Science weighs in. 25 00:01:49,487 --> 00:01:53,487 He reported a UFO and it resulted in a very tragic event. 26 00:01:53,487 --> 00:02:02,487 For the first time on television, what you are about to see is case number 47001, the UFO before Roswell. 27 00:02:11,487 --> 00:02:27,487 Music 28 00:02:27,487 --> 00:02:31,487 June 21st, 1947. 29 00:02:31,487 --> 00:02:34,487 Over two weeks before Roswell, 30 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:39,487 Lager Harrell Dahl, along with his 15 year old son and two crewmen, 31 00:02:39,487 --> 00:02:44,487 are on a boat in Puget Sound near Moray Island, Washington. 32 00:02:44,487 --> 00:02:48,487 It is a lazy day in an otherwise unremarkable summer. 33 00:02:48,487 --> 00:02:52,487 But at 2pm, that all changed. 34 00:02:52,487 --> 00:03:00,487 Suddenly, six bright metallic doughnut shaped discs about 100 feet in diameter appear overhead. 35 00:03:00,487 --> 00:03:04,487 One of the cracks seems to be malfunctioning. 36 00:03:04,487 --> 00:03:10,487 It shudders and tips at precarious angles and appears to be ready to crash into the water. 37 00:03:10,487 --> 00:03:19,487 Suddenly, it ejects what is described as a massive amount of steaming metallic debris into the sound and onto the beach. 38 00:03:19,487 --> 00:03:27,487 The debris crashed down onto Dahl's boat, breaking his son's arm and killing his dog. 39 00:03:27,487 --> 00:03:32,487 According to their report, the ejection of the material appeared to fix the problem. 40 00:03:32,487 --> 00:03:38,487 The five other discs then arranged themselves into a formation around the malfunctioning ship, 41 00:03:38,487 --> 00:03:42,487 and they all sped off out of sight in total silence. 42 00:03:42,487 --> 00:03:47,487 Dahl and his crew gather some of the debris from the water and from the beach. 43 00:03:47,487 --> 00:03:50,487 This event was reported to local police. 44 00:03:50,487 --> 00:03:54,487 The testimony of all four witnesses was consistent. 45 00:03:54,487 --> 00:03:58,487 However, all of the witnesses are now deceased. 46 00:04:02,487 --> 00:04:03,487 Pat, yeah. 47 00:04:03,487 --> 00:04:04,487 Good morning. 48 00:04:04,487 --> 00:04:05,487 Yes. 49 00:04:05,487 --> 00:04:06,487 Is your gear all packed and ready to go? 50 00:04:06,487 --> 00:04:08,487 Yeah, just about. Almost there. 51 00:04:08,487 --> 00:04:11,487 We have a big case today. We're headed off to Morning Island. 52 00:04:11,487 --> 00:04:20,487 I'm Bill Burns. I'm the publisher of UFO Magazine, the only magazine for UFOs in print continuously since 1986. 53 00:04:20,487 --> 00:04:23,487 And I've been investigating UFOs for 20 years. 54 00:04:23,487 --> 00:04:27,487 We have a really great break in a 60-year-old case that's been lingering. 55 00:04:27,487 --> 00:04:32,486 It's been a mystery for 60 years, right here in the state of Washington on Morning Island. 56 00:04:32,486 --> 00:04:35,486 Morning Island, that's the case that started the modern day UFO wave. 57 00:04:35,486 --> 00:04:39,486 My name is Pat Uskert. I'm a frequent contributor of UFO Magazine. 58 00:04:39,486 --> 00:04:43,486 My job is tracking down documents and talking to witnesses. 59 00:04:43,486 --> 00:04:49,486 Morning Island, two weeks before Roswell, a guy out in the boat sees six crafts. 60 00:04:49,486 --> 00:04:54,486 They drop something on his boat, hurt his son, kill his dog, damage the boat. 61 00:04:54,486 --> 00:04:59,486 But we've had a break in the case. After 60 years, we've found some of the wreckage. 62 00:04:59,486 --> 00:05:03,486 For the first time, we can actually bring stuff back into the lab. 63 00:05:03,486 --> 00:05:06,486 I'll need photographs, archaeological measurements, and samples. 64 00:05:06,486 --> 00:05:10,486 Get me samples from the beach, from underwater, from the aircraft site. 65 00:05:10,486 --> 00:05:14,486 Get me pieces of the aircraft, samples from the earth around the aircraft. 66 00:05:14,486 --> 00:05:16,486 Anything you can get me, I'll analyze it. 67 00:05:16,486 --> 00:05:21,486 I'm Dr. Ted Ackworth. I'm a precision metrologist. I have a PhD in mechanical engineering. 68 00:05:21,486 --> 00:05:26,486 I study the data, I make an unbiased analysis, and I come to an objective conclusion. 69 00:05:26,486 --> 00:05:30,486 Jeff, your job is going to be going out with us. Pat's going to go in the water. 70 00:05:30,486 --> 00:05:34,486 You're going to go out and help collect the material and interview witnesses. 71 00:05:34,486 --> 00:05:37,486 We'll bring out some soil samples, some of the debris samples. 72 00:05:37,486 --> 00:05:39,486 We'll bring it back to the lab. 73 00:05:39,486 --> 00:05:44,486 I'm Jeffrey Tomlinson. I'm currently doing research in planetary biology and geological phenomena. 74 00:05:44,486 --> 00:05:46,486 Scientific inquiry is my mission. 75 00:05:46,486 --> 00:05:52,486 This is it, guys. Nobody has been able to solve this case in 60 years, but we will. 76 00:05:56,486 --> 00:06:01,486 Puget Sound is a huge complex of bays, shallows, and islands, 77 00:06:01,486 --> 00:06:06,486 totaling 2,800 square miles of inland marine waters. 78 00:06:06,486 --> 00:06:10,486 The team will be going to the waters off the south shore of Maury Island, 79 00:06:10,486 --> 00:06:17,486 47 degrees, 35 minutes north, 122 degrees, 46 minutes west, 80 00:06:17,486 --> 00:06:20,486 approximately 7 miles north of Tacoma. 81 00:06:20,486 --> 00:06:25,486 Our first task is to try to recover some of the material that the UFO jettison. 82 00:06:25,486 --> 00:06:29,486 Harold Dahl described the material as a sort of metallic slag, 83 00:06:29,486 --> 00:06:33,486 and he was very specific about where his bow was when he saw the UFOs. 84 00:06:33,486 --> 00:06:38,486 My hope is that I can dive into Puget Sound, survey the bottom, and locate some of this debris. 85 00:06:38,486 --> 00:06:43,486 The debris, or slag, retrieved by Harold Dahl and his crew, 86 00:06:43,486 --> 00:06:49,486 was reported to be dark stone, lava-like in appearance, with metallic properties. 87 00:06:49,486 --> 00:06:54,486 Some have speculated it was in some way connected with the disk's propulsion system. 88 00:06:54,486 --> 00:06:59,486 A jet experiencing difficulty will dump its fuel to lighten the load 89 00:06:59,486 --> 00:07:02,486 and lessen the chance of fire during an emergency landing. 90 00:07:02,486 --> 00:07:07,486 Was this mysterious disk following the same protocol? 91 00:07:10,486 --> 00:07:12,486 Does that water look cold to you? 92 00:07:12,486 --> 00:07:13,486 Oh, it looks cold to me. 93 00:07:13,486 --> 00:07:15,486 Probably about 50 degrees on a surface. 94 00:07:15,486 --> 00:07:21,486 The team is joined by UFO researcher Ronnie Millione to help comb the large area. 95 00:07:21,486 --> 00:07:26,486 Pat will be diving into Puget Sound looking for debris. 96 00:07:26,486 --> 00:07:31,486 The search area is approximately 6,000 square feet and up to 60 feet deep. 97 00:07:31,486 --> 00:07:36,485 We are approaching the area where the Moray Island UFO incident occurred. 98 00:07:36,485 --> 00:07:43,485 The incident involved the dropping of slag from some kind of aerial vehicle into the water and on the beach. 99 00:07:43,485 --> 00:07:48,485 I'll be diving, going into the water to look for evidence, maybe at the bottom. 100 00:07:49,485 --> 00:07:51,485 The slag is some sort of molten metal. 101 00:07:51,485 --> 00:07:53,485 It's basically the same principle as lava. 102 00:07:53,485 --> 00:07:58,485 I'm thinking it was liquid metal that was somehow ejected from whatever craft this was, 103 00:07:58,485 --> 00:08:01,485 and now might look like rock. 104 00:08:02,485 --> 00:08:05,485 The evidence is strong that something real happened here, 105 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:10,485 that maybe there was a UFO incident here, and maybe I will find something, 106 00:08:10,485 --> 00:08:13,485 but I can't know until we check it out. 107 00:08:13,485 --> 00:08:15,485 The team is considering a theory. 108 00:08:15,485 --> 00:08:22,485 Is it possible the unidentified objects could actually have been nothing more than planes flying in formation? 109 00:08:22,485 --> 00:08:25,485 I'm pretty sure this wasn't an aircraft. 110 00:08:25,485 --> 00:08:28,485 It didn't look like an aircraft because it was donut shaped. 111 00:08:28,485 --> 00:08:29,485 It dropped something. 112 00:08:29,485 --> 00:08:31,485 Aircraft don't usually drop something. 113 00:08:31,485 --> 00:08:36,485 It damaged the boat, it killed the dog, and it injured the son's arm. 114 00:08:36,485 --> 00:08:41,485 The day was clear, so he would have known what he was looking at on a clear day. 115 00:08:41,485 --> 00:08:45,485 Now I'm pretty convinced this was an unidentified object and not an aircraft. 116 00:08:45,485 --> 00:08:49,485 Pat questions whether the debris will still be at the site. 117 00:08:49,485 --> 00:08:50,485 60 years have passed. 118 00:08:50,485 --> 00:08:51,485 Right. 119 00:08:51,485 --> 00:08:56,485 I wonder what the chances are of some of these pieces of slag still being there. 120 00:09:04,485 --> 00:09:09,485 Pat is a certified scuba diver with more than 18 years experience. 121 00:09:09,485 --> 00:09:14,485 He is searching for UFO debris that is different from the local geology. 122 00:09:14,485 --> 00:09:18,485 The debris is reported to appear and feel like lava rock, 123 00:09:18,485 --> 00:09:22,485 with a porous surface and jagged serrated edges. 124 00:09:38,485 --> 00:09:39,485 A hen. 125 00:09:42,485 --> 00:09:43,485 Freaky cold. 126 00:09:43,485 --> 00:09:44,485 Good to see your face. 127 00:09:44,485 --> 00:09:45,485 Any slag? 128 00:09:45,485 --> 00:09:50,485 I took some sand samples from the bottom, 129 00:09:50,485 --> 00:09:56,485 and I picked up a few rocks that looked like they could be the kind of rocks we were looking for. 130 00:09:56,485 --> 00:09:57,485 Well, we'll see. 131 00:09:57,485 --> 00:10:02,485 Climb up, get warm, get your body temperature back to 80. 132 00:10:02,485 --> 00:10:09,485 Saw some stones on the ground that may be related to slag somehow. 133 00:10:09,485 --> 00:10:14,485 And doing an investigation like this, you can't leave any stone unturned. 134 00:10:15,485 --> 00:10:22,485 Coming up, is this a piece of material jettisoned by a UFO in 1947? 135 00:10:22,485 --> 00:10:26,485 And the other theory is that they were carrying pieces of extraterrestrial slag. 136 00:10:26,485 --> 00:10:33,484 And could it be that this type of debris somehow caused the deaths of two military officers 137 00:10:33,484 --> 00:10:36,484 sent to investigate the UFO site? 138 00:10:40,484 --> 00:10:47,484 In June 1947, over two weeks before the reported UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico, 139 00:10:47,484 --> 00:10:55,484 three men and a teenage boy on a boat in Puget Sound watched as a donut-shaped metallic UFO, 140 00:10:55,484 --> 00:11:05,484 apparently experiencing some sort of malfunction, jettisoned dark, lava-like slag just before it stabilized and reportedly zoomed off. 141 00:11:06,484 --> 00:11:11,484 Working from the testimony of Harold Dahl, the captain of the boat, 142 00:11:11,484 --> 00:11:16,484 the team has located the spot where the debris fell into the water. 143 00:11:18,484 --> 00:11:21,484 You got some samples down there of soil. 144 00:11:21,484 --> 00:11:22,484 I thought it couldn't hurt. 145 00:11:22,484 --> 00:11:26,484 Oh, you could classify these pretty quickly, I'm sure. 146 00:11:26,484 --> 00:11:30,484 Woo, hold on, gentlemen, gentlemen. 147 00:11:30,484 --> 00:11:32,484 This is very interesting right here. 148 00:11:32,484 --> 00:11:37,484 This fits the description of black lava type. 149 00:11:37,484 --> 00:11:42,484 I mean, if you look at the structure, just look at the surface structure on it, the texture. 150 00:11:42,484 --> 00:11:48,484 Look at it compared to the rest of the samples, but this one is definitely unique. 151 00:11:48,484 --> 00:11:53,484 This is exactly the description of what we're hearing and it fits the profile. 152 00:11:55,484 --> 00:11:58,484 The team moves from the dive site to the beach. 153 00:11:58,484 --> 00:12:06,484 In order to comb the debris field completely, the team divides the area into a grid of 3 foot by 3 foot sections, 154 00:12:06,484 --> 00:12:09,484 beginning at the beach and traveling up the hillside. 155 00:12:10,484 --> 00:12:11,484 Anything there, Bill? 156 00:12:11,484 --> 00:12:14,484 Interesting crystal, look at this. 157 00:12:15,484 --> 00:12:24,484 I'm looking for any kind of rock that would appear like it was some sort of byproduct of a sort of metallic smelting process. 158 00:12:24,484 --> 00:12:33,484 Something that was so hot, it melted, liquefied, was ejected or dropped from a donut-shaped UFO 159 00:12:33,484 --> 00:12:36,484 and somehow landed on the shore here. 160 00:12:36,484 --> 00:12:45,484 300 feet from the shore, Ronnie finds an L-shaped object approximately 14 inches long that seems to fit the description. 161 00:12:45,484 --> 00:12:49,484 One really interesting piece that I found is a piece of slag, I think. 162 00:12:49,484 --> 00:12:51,484 Again, we have to really examine it. 163 00:12:51,484 --> 00:12:52,484 Very interesting. 164 00:12:52,484 --> 00:12:57,484 This I found way up there, up in the hill, which is this spot here. 165 00:12:57,484 --> 00:13:05,484 And that's, I think, the path that if the object was starting to take off, it would have projected this way. 166 00:13:05,484 --> 00:13:06,484 Why don't you come up with that? 167 00:13:06,484 --> 00:13:08,484 I found them sufficiently interesting. 168 00:13:08,484 --> 00:13:11,484 It's kind of striated, it's got a twist to it. 169 00:13:11,484 --> 00:13:18,484 It looks like it may have been dripping, like oozing, if it was molten at one time and maybe solidified when it cooled. 170 00:13:18,484 --> 00:13:24,484 We found a few pieces on the beach that seemed to match the slag that we found in Puget Sound. 171 00:13:24,484 --> 00:13:26,484 Lab tests will confirm this or not. 172 00:13:26,484 --> 00:13:29,484 We're going to be talking to George Orley. 173 00:13:29,484 --> 00:13:30,484 He knows these cases. 174 00:13:30,484 --> 00:13:38,483 More importantly, he's spoken to all the local people in the area, so he knows the ins and outs of these cases 175 00:13:38,483 --> 00:13:42,483 and the details that few people could know just from reading books. 176 00:13:42,483 --> 00:13:43,483 Here he comes. 177 00:13:43,483 --> 00:13:44,483 Hi, George. 178 00:13:44,483 --> 00:13:45,483 Hi, George. 179 00:13:45,483 --> 00:13:46,483 Pull up a log. 180 00:13:46,483 --> 00:13:47,483 Hi, Cabell. 181 00:13:47,483 --> 00:13:53,483 George Orley is a UFO researcher and longtime resident of the Pacific Northwest. 182 00:13:53,483 --> 00:14:01,483 He was brought in by the team because he has an encyclopedic knowledge of this case and of the events that resulted from this encounter. 183 00:14:01,483 --> 00:14:07,483 This is the first time George Orley has spoken publicly about his research into this case. 184 00:14:07,483 --> 00:14:09,483 Well, I named Harold Bell. 185 00:14:09,483 --> 00:14:18,483 I saw up there six slightly squashed doughnuts about 100 feet in diameter with a hole about 25 feet. 186 00:14:18,483 --> 00:14:28,483 One of them began to drop massive debris from this hole in the center, which apparently was red hot because he said it hissed when it hit the water. 187 00:14:28,483 --> 00:14:29,483 It hit his boat. 188 00:14:29,483 --> 00:14:30,483 It hit his son. 189 00:14:30,483 --> 00:14:31,483 It broke his arm. 190 00:14:31,483 --> 00:14:32,483 Hit the dog. 191 00:14:32,483 --> 00:14:33,483 Killed the dog. 192 00:14:33,483 --> 00:14:44,483 According to Orley, the story of Harold Bell's UFO incident reached the Air Force and two intelligence officers were sent to retrieve the possible UFO debris. 193 00:14:44,483 --> 00:14:58,483 The Air Force intelligence people who came were given a box or a cell of fragments which they took kind of reluctantly, but they took him back. 194 00:14:58,483 --> 00:15:03,483 So the Air Force B-25 leaves and heads back to where? 195 00:15:03,483 --> 00:15:04,483 Hamilton. 196 00:15:04,483 --> 00:15:06,483 Hamilton Field, California. 197 00:15:06,483 --> 00:15:12,483 They went out of McCord Field and they headed south and reportedly at 10,000 feet. 198 00:15:12,483 --> 00:15:16,483 So they're at 10,000 feet and that's when problems start to happen. 199 00:15:17,483 --> 00:15:36,483 According to official Air Corps reports, on August 1, 1947, 40 days after the incident, Harold Dahl reported that he was visited by, quote, two military intelligence officers who took from him the pieces of debris he and his men collected. 200 00:15:37,483 --> 00:15:49,483 The officers brought the specimens on board a B-25 bomber, which was to take them from McCord Air Force Base in Tacoma, Washington to Hamilton Air Force Base in Northern California. 201 00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:57,483 What happened in the minutes after takeoff is the biggest mystery of the Moorie Island incident. 202 00:15:57,483 --> 00:16:02,483 The plane had been thoroughly inspected and overhauled just two weeks before. 203 00:16:02,483 --> 00:16:09,483 Yet 20 minutes after taking off, the plane crashed in the remote wilderness outside of Kelso, Washington. 204 00:16:10,483 --> 00:16:16,483 Two passengers parachuted to safety, but the two pilots died in the crash. 205 00:16:16,483 --> 00:16:23,483 According to official Air Corps reports, the plane was brought down by a fire in an internal junction box. 206 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:32,483 But some UFO researchers believe the UFO debris in the cargo hold may have triggered a series of events that brought the plane down. 207 00:16:33,482 --> 00:16:36,482 I think we've done enough here. We're off to Kelso. 208 00:16:36,482 --> 00:16:43,482 Kelso is where the plane wreckage is. We're going to do a grid search. We're going to look for plane parts. We're going to walk the area. 209 00:16:43,482 --> 00:16:45,482 The answer is may lie on Kelso. 210 00:16:45,482 --> 00:16:47,482 Indeed. Off to Kelso. 211 00:16:48,482 --> 00:16:58,482 On the way to the Kelso crash site, Pat insists the team stop at the library to see if town archives could provide further information about the crash. 212 00:16:59,482 --> 00:17:01,482 So Pat, what have you found? 213 00:17:01,482 --> 00:17:02,482 Check this out. 214 00:17:02,482 --> 00:17:03,482 You were right. 215 00:17:03,482 --> 00:17:04,482 I was right? 216 00:17:05,482 --> 00:17:09,482 The summer of 1947 was swimming with saucers. 217 00:17:09,482 --> 00:17:13,482 The sky is a little high with flying saucers. Look at these flying discs. 218 00:17:13,482 --> 00:17:15,482 We're now seeing 39 states. 219 00:17:16,482 --> 00:17:28,482 Mysterious objects in the sky first began to surface when Kenneth Arnold reported seeing nine silvery discs flying over Mount Rainier three days after the Moorie Island sighting. 220 00:17:28,482 --> 00:17:31,482 His story made headlines all over the country. 221 00:17:31,482 --> 00:17:36,482 But two weeks later, an even bigger story takes center stage. 222 00:17:36,482 --> 00:17:43,482 Here it is, July 7th. Trio describes flying saucers. I'm looking out. I'm trying to see the Roswell connection here. 223 00:17:43,482 --> 00:17:45,482 Okay, you're here. July 8th. 224 00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:46,482 Army reveals discs. 225 00:17:46,482 --> 00:17:47,482 It's found in New Mexico. 226 00:17:47,482 --> 00:17:49,482 It reveals disc found in New Mexico. 227 00:17:49,482 --> 00:17:50,482 Unbelievable. 228 00:17:50,482 --> 00:17:51,482 Okay. 229 00:17:51,482 --> 00:17:52,482 The summer of the saucers. 230 00:17:52,482 --> 00:17:54,482 Let's go to all these persons here. We can see. 231 00:17:56,482 --> 00:17:57,482 There you go. 232 00:17:57,482 --> 00:17:58,482 Look at this. 233 00:17:58,482 --> 00:17:59,482 Wow. 234 00:17:59,482 --> 00:18:00,482 Look at that. 235 00:18:00,482 --> 00:18:01,482 Front page. 236 00:18:01,482 --> 00:18:02,482 Okay. 237 00:18:02,482 --> 00:18:04,482 If that's not enough, check this out. 238 00:18:04,482 --> 00:18:10,482 I was checking the internet earlier. What I found here was an article on the nephew of one of the pilots. 239 00:18:10,482 --> 00:18:14,482 A Lieutenant Brown's nephew or great nephew. His name is Barry Fisher. 240 00:18:14,482 --> 00:18:16,482 Wow. What are the odds on this? 241 00:18:17,482 --> 00:18:22,482 Let's call him. Let's see if we can hook up with him and call him. Let's bring him to the site. 242 00:18:23,482 --> 00:18:28,482 Coming up, the team scours the B-25 crash site for evidence. 243 00:18:28,482 --> 00:18:30,482 There's not a lot of it left, but it's still here. 244 00:18:30,482 --> 00:18:33,482 And find something they hadn't expected. 245 00:18:33,482 --> 00:18:35,482 We got a hotbed here. 246 00:18:38,482 --> 00:18:52,482 On August 1st, 1947, after a reported UFO event, two military intelligence officers board an Air Force B-25 bomber to bring mysterious pieces of metallic debris, 247 00:18:52,482 --> 00:18:58,482 supposedly jettisoned by a UFO, back to Hamilton Air Force Base for analysis. 248 00:18:58,482 --> 00:19:05,482 A mere 20 minutes after takeoff, an intense fire of unknown origin breaks out inside the plane. 249 00:19:05,482 --> 00:19:16,482 One of the survivors who parachuted to safety later recalled that the fire was so intense and spread so quickly that there was no time to try to put it out. 250 00:19:16,482 --> 00:19:23,482 Could this fire possibly be connected to the samples of mysterious debris the plane was carrying? 251 00:19:23,482 --> 00:19:34,481 The team from UFO Magazine has decided to examine the remains of the plane wreckage to see if the crash is somehow connected to the UFO sighting off Mori Island. 252 00:19:35,481 --> 00:19:43,481 We made the trip from Mori Island up here to Kelso. We're investigating the crash of the B-25 in this area. 253 00:19:43,481 --> 00:19:55,481 This is a really puzzling case. I mean, is it all coincidence that there was a huge UFO incident and then a crash after the officers investigated that incident? 254 00:19:55,481 --> 00:19:58,481 Maybe I'll have some answers today, we'll find out. 255 00:19:58,481 --> 00:20:04,481 Here we are, guys. Garth Baldwin. Good to see you, my friend. Mr. Baldwin, how are you? 256 00:20:04,481 --> 00:20:11,481 Garth Baldwin is a Washington state archaeologist and expert on the topography and history of the Kelso area. 257 00:20:11,481 --> 00:20:22,481 For the first time, the team is getting a look at the site of the actual plane wreck. If reports are correct, this site may contain UFO debris. 258 00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:31,481 This is the Goble Creek Valley where the crash took place. The left wing came down in the open valley just over here around the corner if you want to go take a look at that. 259 00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:32,481 Yes, sir. 260 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:37,481 Garth is a professional archaeologist. He'll be helping us examine this area. 261 00:20:37,481 --> 00:20:46,481 That's really what we need to do to make this investigation the best that it can be. We need to bring in the pros. In this case, we have the guy to examine the wreckage. 262 00:20:46,481 --> 00:20:54,481 This is where the left wing came off. It came off from the fire at the engine. So the plane lost its left wing. 263 00:20:54,481 --> 00:20:55,481 Right. 264 00:20:55,481 --> 00:21:05,481 And then I would guess the wing dropped off and the weight of the other engine as well as its trajectory dropped it this way and it slingshot it, or boor-egg, right into the... 265 00:21:05,481 --> 00:21:10,481 And it is right around the corner of the crash site, is right around that corner there in those trees. 266 00:21:10,481 --> 00:21:25,481 At approximately 2.20 a.m., the plane came in from the north northeast and crashed along Goble Creek. The debris field could radiate as far as 1,000 feet from the center point. 267 00:21:25,481 --> 00:21:42,481 This B-25 was carrying some kind of mystery slag from Moray Islands. That's the connection here. If there was nothing going on in Moray Island, if there was no slag, if there was no incident, why would these officers be wasting their time carrying slag on their B-25? 268 00:21:42,481 --> 00:21:50,481 In the weeks after the crash, over 300 volunteers removed much of the debris as part of a military operation. 269 00:21:50,481 --> 00:21:57,481 What makes this crash so intriguing is that the circumstances surrounding the crash were recorded in the press. 270 00:21:57,481 --> 00:22:13,481 According to the Calsonian Tribune, quote, the close guard which army officers established around the crash scene and their refusal to permit any pictures to be taken of the wreckage added to the belief that the plane was carrying secret cargo. 271 00:22:13,481 --> 00:22:17,481 But could there be some evidence of this secret cargo left behind? 272 00:22:17,481 --> 00:22:26,481 Could the plane have come down from mechanical failure? Sure it could have. But we also know that the B-25 Mitchell bomber was notoriously difficult to fly. 273 00:22:26,481 --> 00:22:39,480 But there are other facts of this case as well. What was the plane carrying? What was the nature of the material the plane was carrying? This is all evidence we have to examine to figure out why this plane went down. 274 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:46,480 The team begins searching the site of the plane crash. They face several obstacles in their search. 275 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,480 Goy, where are we? We're just about there. The crash happened 60 years ago. 276 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,480 And the little cut ravine beyond is where the crash impact area was. 277 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:03,480 And the crash site is in the middle of the Washington wilderness where the vegetation grows very thick and very quickly. 278 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:12,480 This is the focus of the crash. It was focused right into this little ravine, like a baseball glove, caught that airplane. Pow! 279 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:19,480 Finally, the high levels of groundwater makes the soil unstable and the debris may have sunk deeper underground. 280 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,480 Well here's the center point of the material that we found out here and that's been reported. 281 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Wow. This is about our focus centroid, if you will. 282 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:40,480 This would be either the framing the motor was hung on or the protective cage around the nose, maybe. 283 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:49,480 It's aircraft aluminum. The metal structure on this is ferrous metal like steel, which is unusual for most parts of an aircraft. 284 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,480 So we got a hotbed here. Right here. Up the wreckage. 285 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:01,480 We have some materials that are definitively from the B-class or B-series planes. 286 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,480 There's not a lot of it left, but it's still here. 287 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480 It's obviously aircraft. There's enough aircraft aluminum here. 288 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,480 There's stabilizers on it. It looks like some kind of torque bars. 289 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,480 There's this flashing, which is usually an indicator of heat heating. Yeah, for heat flashing. 290 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,480 Right beneath our feet could be the first real physical evidence of UFOs. 291 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:31,480 If there was something strange in the cargo bay of that craft, then the impact of the crash and the melting in the heat, 292 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,480 it might transfer properties of the cargo to the actual airframe. 293 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,480 As quoted in the Department of Justice's Trace Evidence Recovery Guidelines, 294 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:50,480 Lowcard's Exchange Principle states that whenever two objects come into contact, a transfer of material will always occur. 295 00:24:50,480 --> 00:25:00,480 If we could find what could have been UFO slag inside the plane that caused the fire that was near the very hot spot where the fire started, 296 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,480 then we'd be able to find the evidence that UFOs were on the plane. 297 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:13,480 The team creates a circular grid emanating from what Garth has determined is the center. 298 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Because environmental law prohibits digging up the soil, the team uses markers to plot points of interest. 299 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,480 There might be a certain pattern that it might come out. 300 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:30,480 So I'm more interested in finding something that the aircraft was carrying that caused all the military to come out and do a complete thorough search. 301 00:25:36,479 --> 00:25:39,479 Hey guys, check this out. You got some rubber here. 302 00:25:39,479 --> 00:25:42,479 Is that more of your insulation or is that a tire? 303 00:25:42,479 --> 00:25:48,479 These samples will be sent back to the laboratory in Los Angeles and tested for anomalies. 304 00:25:48,479 --> 00:25:50,479 We've got a couple of soil samples. 305 00:25:50,479 --> 00:25:52,479 This one's at the base of the crash. 306 00:25:52,479 --> 00:25:53,479 Super. 307 00:25:53,479 --> 00:25:55,479 This one is from the bank. 308 00:25:55,479 --> 00:25:56,479 Okay, great. 309 00:25:56,479 --> 00:25:57,479 From the engine. 310 00:25:57,479 --> 00:25:58,479 Two meters from the engine. 311 00:25:59,479 --> 00:26:03,479 We've got so much equipment that they didn't have back in 1947. 312 00:26:03,479 --> 00:26:10,479 Even though the Army sent out 300 searchers to comb this area, their technology wasn't as sophisticated as what we have now. 313 00:26:10,479 --> 00:26:17,479 We've got much more sensitive metal detectors and we're bringing in ground penetrating radar to actually see what's going on beneath here. 314 00:26:17,479 --> 00:26:21,479 Plus we've got Garth who's devised the master plan for this search. 315 00:26:25,479 --> 00:26:31,479 The ground penetrating radar system has an operating depth of approximately 25 feet. 316 00:26:31,479 --> 00:26:37,479 The system sends and receives signals to create a 3D underground image of the crash site. 317 00:26:38,479 --> 00:26:45,479 Rob Shaw, a specialist from GeoRadar Imaging, operates the ground penetrating radar system. 318 00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:50,479 This system will let the team see what lies under the forest floor. 319 00:26:50,479 --> 00:27:00,479 The team wonders if the UFO debris was so hot, could it have burned its way deep into the earth below the range of metal detectors? 320 00:27:03,479 --> 00:27:06,479 After you collect all this data and if you have it stored on the hard drive and stuff, 321 00:27:06,479 --> 00:27:07,479 what is the next step? 322 00:27:07,479 --> 00:27:13,479 When you do the scan, you end up with two files, you take and you intertwine those files to make the 3D cube. 323 00:27:13,479 --> 00:27:20,479 The ground penetrating radar scans each area twice, each time from a slightly different angle. 324 00:27:20,479 --> 00:27:30,479 The computer program then merges the two slightly different images into a three-dimensional representation of what lies below the surface of the ground. 325 00:27:31,479 --> 00:27:39,479 As Rob continues mapping what lies below the earth's surface, the team gathers pieces of the B-25. 326 00:27:42,479 --> 00:27:48,479 Coming up, science answers some questions and raises many more. 327 00:27:48,479 --> 00:27:50,479 The mystery still lingers. 328 00:27:50,479 --> 00:27:56,479 And the team discovers that not all the evidence is buried. Some of it is alive. 329 00:27:56,479 --> 00:27:57,479 Burry? 330 00:28:01,479 --> 00:28:08,479 The team from UFO Magazine combs a supposed UFO-related crash site outside Cal-So, Washington. 331 00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:12,479 They have set up a search grid and scanned with ground penetrating radar. 332 00:28:12,479 --> 00:28:17,479 Since we can't really dig underground, we could actually take almost like an X-ray picture of it. 333 00:28:17,479 --> 00:28:25,479 The images from the radar were inconclusive due to the amount of overgrown vegetation and the uneven nature of the terrain. 334 00:28:26,479 --> 00:28:32,479 So the data we're getting from the GPR, the ground penetrating radar, this device really shows us inconclusive data. 335 00:28:32,479 --> 00:28:37,478 In fact, the ground, the terrain, it's really difficult for us to physically move the device. 336 00:28:37,478 --> 00:28:40,478 And on top of that, the ground is over saturated with water. 337 00:28:40,478 --> 00:28:44,478 It really doesn't provide us with the right amount of data that we need. 338 00:28:44,478 --> 00:28:46,478 By all means, it's inconclusive. 339 00:28:46,478 --> 00:28:51,478 The team continues its area search and gets a visitor. 340 00:28:52,478 --> 00:28:53,478 Hello? 341 00:28:54,478 --> 00:28:55,478 Hey, are you Pat? 342 00:28:55,478 --> 00:29:00,478 Burry Fisher is the grand-nephew of Air Corps pilot Frank Brown. 343 00:29:00,478 --> 00:29:03,478 One of the pilots killed during the B-25 crash. 344 00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:05,478 So good to finally meet you. Thank you so much. 345 00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:09,478 Hey, nice to meet you. And hey, I brought you a couple of the copies that we spoke about on the phone. 346 00:29:09,478 --> 00:29:10,478 Fantastic. 347 00:29:10,478 --> 00:29:12,478 Some of the pictures you can kind of see here. 348 00:29:12,478 --> 00:29:14,478 So this is your uncle? 349 00:29:14,478 --> 00:29:16,478 This is my great uncle, Frank Brown. 350 00:29:17,478 --> 00:29:21,478 During his research of the incident, he made an intriguing discovery. 351 00:29:21,478 --> 00:29:24,478 Now, what's this little article here? 352 00:29:24,478 --> 00:29:28,478 Well, and this is something that I just came by in the last couple of days. 353 00:29:28,478 --> 00:29:33,478 I'm not sure where it came from, but it has his military idea here. 354 00:29:33,478 --> 00:29:34,478 Okay. 355 00:29:34,478 --> 00:29:41,478 Now, the strange thing about it was, even though he assumed the title of second lieutenant as an intelligence officer, 356 00:29:41,478 --> 00:29:44,478 he was in reality a counter-espionage agent. 357 00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:45,478 Interesting. 358 00:29:45,478 --> 00:29:48,478 Burry then says something even more surprising. 359 00:29:48,478 --> 00:29:57,478 After his body was recovered, they gave his personal identification, his military ID, to somebody named Kenneth Arnold. 360 00:29:57,478 --> 00:30:01,478 You would think that that would go back to either the military or the next of Ken. 361 00:30:01,478 --> 00:30:12,478 Kenneth Arnold was one of the first guys to spot UFOs over Mount Rainier, but I don't understand why he would be given the dog tags. 362 00:30:13,478 --> 00:30:19,478 Harold Dahl witnessed the Moorieland Discs on June 21, 1947. 363 00:30:19,478 --> 00:30:28,478 Only three days later, on June 24, flying discs are seen again only 50 miles away, this time by Kenneth Arnold. 364 00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:34,478 His report of nine shiny disc-shaped UFOs flying near Mount Rainier electrified the country. 365 00:30:34,478 --> 00:30:41,478 His story appeared in newspapers all over the U.S., making him the world's unofficial expert on UFOs. 366 00:30:42,478 --> 00:30:51,478 Two weeks later, on July 7, 1947, a flying disc reportedly crashed outside Roswell, New Mexico. 367 00:30:51,478 --> 00:30:56,478 Is it possible that all three of these events are somehow related? 368 00:30:58,478 --> 00:31:03,478 Meanwhile, Harold Dahl remained silent about what he had seen. 369 00:31:03,478 --> 00:31:10,478 When he finally decided to go public, Kenneth Arnold was asked to meet with him to compare their sightings. 370 00:31:10,478 --> 00:31:18,478 After speaking with Dahl, Arnold believed his sighting was real and could possibly have national security consequences. 371 00:31:18,478 --> 00:31:25,478 Arnold contacted military intelligence, who came to Moorieland and took the UFO material. 372 00:31:25,478 --> 00:31:31,478 What was the deal with Kenneth Arnold anyway? Why was he being asked to investigate UFO sightings? 373 00:31:31,478 --> 00:31:35,477 After Kenneth Arnold's sighting, the entire country went UFO crazy. 374 00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:45,477 A week later, the Army released the story of the crash of a flying disc and its retrieval outside of Roswell, New Mexico. 375 00:31:45,477 --> 00:31:49,477 So the Army validated Kenneth Arnold. 376 00:31:49,477 --> 00:31:56,477 But because Kenneth Arnold was already the premier UFO sighter in the country, that's why he'd do the investigation. 377 00:31:57,477 --> 00:32:03,477 After the death of pilot Lieutenant Brown, his military identification was given to Arnold. 378 00:32:03,477 --> 00:32:11,477 The more we find out about the relationship between the Kelso case and the Moorieland case, the more we have to ask, 379 00:32:11,477 --> 00:32:18,477 why would the Air Force send two counterintelligence officers up to investigate this entire case, 380 00:32:18,477 --> 00:32:21,477 and why would they bring this slag material back? 381 00:32:21,477 --> 00:32:28,477 Under mounting pressure, Harold Dahl recanted his testimony to the FBI on August 7, 1947. 382 00:32:28,477 --> 00:32:33,477 However, until his death, Dahl continued to believe the sighting was real. 383 00:32:33,477 --> 00:32:41,477 There has not been a whole lot of resolution, which has kind of left a bit of a hole in the family, you know? 384 00:32:41,477 --> 00:32:46,477 So hopefully we can get a little bit of closure out of what you guys are doing out here. 385 00:32:47,477 --> 00:32:52,477 This doesn't just exist in cyberspace or in some UFO book. This is a real event. 386 00:32:52,477 --> 00:33:00,477 And regardless of what Harold Dahl saw, he reported a UFO and it resulted in a very tragic event. 387 00:33:05,477 --> 00:33:07,477 Whether or not there are slag, it's a good question. 388 00:33:07,477 --> 00:33:15,477 In lab, I do expect that we'll find some sort of reaction with the soil, with the organic environment around here. 389 00:33:15,477 --> 00:33:21,477 A link has yet to be established between the material we found on the beach at Moray Island 390 00:33:21,477 --> 00:33:24,477 and the material that we've already collected here at Kelso. 391 00:33:24,477 --> 00:33:30,477 That physical link can only be established through laboratory testing. 392 00:33:33,477 --> 00:33:36,477 Coming up, the evidence is put to the test. 393 00:33:36,477 --> 00:33:41,477 Is the idea of a plane being brought down by a UFO preposterous? 394 00:33:41,477 --> 00:33:48,477 Or is it possible that a piece of UFO debris could really burn through an airplane fuselage? 395 00:33:48,477 --> 00:33:49,477 Stand by. 396 00:33:49,477 --> 00:33:52,477 The team's experiment shows it could. 397 00:33:58,477 --> 00:34:06,477 In October 2007, with evidence in hand, the team arrives in Los Angeles at the lab of Dr. Sam Iancar, 398 00:34:06,477 --> 00:34:10,477 a research scientist who will use state-of-the-art analytical equipment 399 00:34:10,477 --> 00:34:14,477 in an attempt to define the cause of the B-25 crash. 400 00:34:16,477 --> 00:34:20,477 We're here amidst the majestic hills of Orange County at Dr. Sam's lab. 401 00:34:20,477 --> 00:34:24,477 We brought a lot of material back from Kelso for Dr. Sam to analyze. 402 00:34:24,477 --> 00:34:29,477 We brought back soil samples to see if there is any anomalous material in the soil. 403 00:34:29,477 --> 00:34:34,477 We also brought back the rubber gasket from the fuel tank of that B-25. 404 00:34:34,477 --> 00:34:41,476 We want to see if a mechanical failure, specifically the electrical fire that one of the tech sergeants talked about, 405 00:34:41,476 --> 00:34:45,476 caused the gas tank explosion that brought the B-25 down. 406 00:34:45,476 --> 00:34:49,476 The team is rejoined by MIT scientist Dr. Ted Ackworth, 407 00:34:49,476 --> 00:34:54,476 who has just completed testing on the reported UFO debris sample from Moorie Island. 408 00:34:54,476 --> 00:34:57,476 Pat Dove in Moorie Island, Washington State, 409 00:34:57,476 --> 00:35:02,476 and most of the rock that he found was rock like this, which is sedimentary rock, 410 00:35:02,476 --> 00:35:04,476 very common in that area. 411 00:35:04,476 --> 00:35:06,476 He actually found something a little more interesting, 412 00:35:06,476 --> 00:35:09,476 which I can imagine he'd be pretty excited about this sample here. 413 00:35:09,476 --> 00:35:11,476 It's actually very light. 414 00:35:11,476 --> 00:35:16,476 It's obviously very different from the rock that you see all around the area, color and weight. 415 00:35:16,476 --> 00:35:19,476 You see these bubbles or vesicular texture, 416 00:35:19,476 --> 00:35:27,476 which is consistent with what you might see with a metal that had been overheated and aerated. 417 00:35:27,476 --> 00:35:30,476 So it's something that could look like this slag, 418 00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:37,476 some sort of metal that was heated and turned to liquid and fell out of this UFO. 419 00:35:37,476 --> 00:35:40,476 What it actually is though, is igneous rock. 420 00:35:40,476 --> 00:35:48,476 It's rock that was formed by volcanic activity and bringing igneous rock up towards the surface from the mantle. 421 00:35:48,476 --> 00:35:52,476 I don't believe that it's alien slag, but I could see how Pat may have suspected it. 422 00:35:52,476 --> 00:35:53,476 It could have been. 423 00:35:53,476 --> 00:35:57,476 In search of more results, the team heads for the lab. 424 00:35:57,476 --> 00:35:58,476 Hi, Sam. How are you doing? 425 00:35:58,476 --> 00:35:59,476 Good to see you. How are you? 426 00:35:59,476 --> 00:36:02,476 This is Dr. Sam Iangar. 427 00:36:02,476 --> 00:36:07,476 Dr. Iangar will be testing the samples of wreckage for any anomalies. 428 00:36:07,476 --> 00:36:14,476 This is the first time that this type of scientific precision has been publicly applied to a UFO investigation. 429 00:36:14,476 --> 00:36:20,476 We'll take measurements off of these samples and look for anything that's anomalous, that's unexplainable. 430 00:36:21,476 --> 00:36:25,476 We had a number of soil samples from the site. 431 00:36:25,476 --> 00:36:33,476 We had a piece of metal, we believe it was aluminum, and then we had a piece of rubber that we also think was a fragment from the crash-chair crap. 432 00:36:33,476 --> 00:36:39,476 Most of the material you can identify, you know, is the question of whether it's anomalous or whether it's normal. 433 00:36:39,476 --> 00:36:46,476 We ran a number of conventional metallurgical tests, standard in the industry, transmissive X-ray. 434 00:36:46,476 --> 00:36:49,476 We're bombarding the sample with infrared light. 435 00:36:49,476 --> 00:36:51,476 You look at the molecular vibrations. 436 00:36:51,476 --> 00:36:54,476 We did a couple of X-ray diffraction measurements. 437 00:36:54,476 --> 00:36:57,476 We did a scan electron microscope measurements. 438 00:36:57,476 --> 00:37:00,476 With this system, we're actually passing X-rays through the material. 439 00:37:00,476 --> 00:37:05,476 I think the tests we've run are comprehensive and they're the right tools for the job. 440 00:37:05,476 --> 00:37:10,476 We just need to get lucky and find a sample that has the evidence in the sample. 441 00:37:10,476 --> 00:37:16,476 After completing the tests, the results show an interesting trend. 442 00:37:16,476 --> 00:37:23,476 I took a little sample from the serrated edge of this aluminum piece and then analyzed it by diffraction method. 443 00:37:23,476 --> 00:37:26,476 And you can see here's the X-O-D pattern for it. 444 00:37:26,476 --> 00:37:30,476 So the sample of aluminum generated aluminum and aluminum oxide. 445 00:37:30,476 --> 00:37:32,476 Yes, it's a corroded gear. 446 00:37:32,476 --> 00:37:42,475 Aluminum oxide is the result of aluminum combining with oxygen, a chemical reaction that results from corrosion or exposure to a high temperature heat source. 447 00:37:43,475 --> 00:37:49,475 All test results show that an extremely hot fire broke out aboard the B-25. 448 00:37:49,475 --> 00:37:55,475 This seems to go against another theory that this was an explosion caused by the gas tank. 449 00:37:55,475 --> 00:38:02,475 Next, Dr. Iangar analyzes soil samples collected by the team from around the crash site. 450 00:38:02,475 --> 00:38:07,475 Here are the X-ray diffraction patterns for the four soils. 451 00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:14,475 The one near the engine and five meters away from the crash, they look almost the same, you know, except why is it sharp? 452 00:38:14,475 --> 00:38:20,475 The sharpness in a diffraction is due to the increased crystallinity. 453 00:38:20,475 --> 00:38:24,475 One of the ways of increasing the crystallinity is heating. 454 00:38:24,475 --> 00:38:32,475 The crystallinity of the sample underscores how intense the heat was and how all four soil samples were affected. 455 00:38:32,475 --> 00:38:38,475 But the bigger question still remains, what might have caused the fire that brought the plane down? 456 00:38:38,475 --> 00:38:46,475 If someone simply tells me, oh, maybe there was a spark on the plane, okay, well, I have questions then, you know, how did the spark happen? 457 00:38:46,475 --> 00:38:57,475 Is it possible that this alleged slag material through some sort of intensive radiation or magnetic field or thermal event could have brought this airplane down? 458 00:38:57,475 --> 00:38:59,475 I'm not sure. 459 00:38:59,475 --> 00:39:02,475 We're going to go back to the lab and run some tests. 460 00:39:02,475 --> 00:39:14,475 The team heads to the lab of researcher John Tindall, who demonstrates how a piece of metallic slag could have a disastrous effect on the mechanical and electrical systems of the B-25. 461 00:39:14,475 --> 00:39:19,475 This is a very close approximation of what that slag might have been or might have looked like. 462 00:39:19,475 --> 00:39:24,475 And because it has some ferrous metal in it, it could be magnetic. 463 00:39:24,475 --> 00:39:28,475 Well, what we have here is a relay, such as you might find on that airplane. 464 00:39:28,475 --> 00:39:31,475 In fact, there's probably dozens of them on the airplane. 465 00:39:31,475 --> 00:39:40,475 Now, if they set that slag down or moved it during flight, it's possible that a magnetic field could come and defeat the relay. 466 00:39:40,475 --> 00:39:44,475 As the magnet approaches the relay, the switch fails. 467 00:39:44,475 --> 00:39:53,475 If the reported UFO debris was magnetically charged, it would have affected multiple switches and motors inside the B-25. 468 00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:58,475 A failing relay could also put the B-25's electrical system in jeopardy. 469 00:39:58,475 --> 00:40:06,475 Now, the B-25 had 120 amps of power to run everything from the turrets to starter motors to whatever, and they all were controlled by relays. 470 00:40:06,475 --> 00:40:14,475 What we have set up here is a situation where we can create a dead short, such as if a motor or something went fluid. 471 00:40:14,475 --> 00:40:17,475 So you're running 120 amps through a 20 amp circuit? 472 00:40:17,475 --> 00:40:21,475 Meaning the circuit wouldn't be able to handle, that it's being overloaded. 473 00:40:21,475 --> 00:40:24,475 I think you can be the judge of that. 474 00:40:24,475 --> 00:40:27,475 As you can see, the wire was literally vaporized. 475 00:40:27,475 --> 00:40:29,475 John has one more theory. 476 00:40:29,475 --> 00:40:36,474 He's demonstrated how highly magnetic slag could have affected both the electrical and the mechanical systems of the plane. 477 00:40:36,474 --> 00:40:42,474 But is it possible that the very composition of the slag itself caused the plane to crash? 478 00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:49,474 I'm going to use an arc welder to spark this slag off, much as might have happened that night with the B-25. 479 00:40:49,474 --> 00:40:51,474 Stand by. 480 00:40:51,474 --> 00:40:52,474 Okay, look. 481 00:40:52,474 --> 00:40:53,474 Whoa! 482 00:40:53,474 --> 00:40:54,474 Whoa! 483 00:40:54,474 --> 00:40:57,474 So that is burning slag, and look at how it's smoldering. 484 00:40:57,474 --> 00:40:58,474 Right. 485 00:40:58,474 --> 00:40:59,474 Still. 486 00:40:59,474 --> 00:41:03,474 Would that burning slag be of the temperature that would eat through the aluminum on the plane? 487 00:41:03,474 --> 00:41:06,474 This slag, it's around 4,000 degrees that slag is burning. 488 00:41:06,474 --> 00:41:07,474 An aluminum melt set? 489 00:41:07,474 --> 00:41:09,474 1,200 degrees. 490 00:41:09,474 --> 00:41:15,474 Aluminum is one of the main components in the fuselage, skin, and wings of a B-25. 491 00:41:15,474 --> 00:41:19,474 A 4,000-degree fire inside the structure would be devastating. 492 00:41:19,474 --> 00:41:28,474 If on the B-25, there was a short circuit, and the short circuit got to the slag, it's very possible that there could have been a reaction similar to this. 493 00:41:28,474 --> 00:41:33,474 Is this the same type of aluminum that the fuselage would have been made of, or the wings, or? 494 00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:34,474 Same kind of aluminum. 495 00:41:34,474 --> 00:41:42,474 You know, these are all things that, in the right combinations, can be very combustible and have quite a exothermic reaction. 496 00:41:42,474 --> 00:41:43,474 Stand by. 497 00:41:44,474 --> 00:41:45,474 Look. 498 00:41:46,474 --> 00:41:47,474 Whoa! 499 00:41:47,474 --> 00:41:48,474 Oh, whoo! 500 00:41:56,474 --> 00:42:06,474 If the plane carried that slag and experienced an electrical fire at 4,000 degrees, you're looking at the result on the whole. 501 00:42:06,474 --> 00:42:13,474 This fire was different from a normal fire, or even a gasoline fire, and that it was white-hot. 502 00:42:13,474 --> 00:42:17,474 So this would have seared through any metal and caused a whole lot of problems on that plane. 503 00:42:17,474 --> 00:42:33,474 It's one thing to hypothesize, well, it could have been this, and it's another to see it with our own eyes, that yes, you can spark slag, slag can produce a combustion, an explosion, which can burn through metal, which would lead to something like the crash of a B-25. 504 00:42:33,474 --> 00:42:40,474 And one of the possibilities is that we're dealing with UFO debris that may have caused this crash. 505 00:42:48,474 --> 00:42:52,474 So gentlemen, we are back from Tyndall's lab. We're back from Kelso. 506 00:42:52,474 --> 00:42:58,474 Although we weren't allowed to dig up all the wreckage, we were able to dig up some really good debris. 507 00:42:58,474 --> 00:43:06,474 And we were able to really determine that a fire could occur. You know, there was a reason that this plane could have caught fire. 508 00:43:06,474 --> 00:43:12,474 So of all the evidence in the case, the samples that Pat found while scuba diving are definitely out. 509 00:43:12,474 --> 00:43:20,474 But the samples we were able to analyze in Dr. Sam's lab, obviously we didn't find any smoking gun, that there was definitely some sort of UFO or extraterrestrial involvement. 510 00:43:20,474 --> 00:43:24,474 But on the other hand, nothing to disprove that. 511 00:43:24,474 --> 00:43:28,474 Nobody's really been to the site over the 60 years after the Air Force cleaned it up. 512 00:43:28,474 --> 00:43:37,473 We were there, we retrieved material, we tested material, we found reputable scientists to evaluate the material. 513 00:43:37,473 --> 00:43:42,473 We reconstructed the final moments of the crash of that B-25. 514 00:43:42,473 --> 00:43:49,473 We're bringing science to ufology, speculation out the window, science right here. 515 00:43:49,473 --> 00:44:00,473 Many samples proved inconclusive, but experts say there are definite signs of anomalous activity surrounding both the Moorieland UFO incident and the Kelso crash site. 516 00:44:00,473 --> 00:44:11,473 What really happened may never be fully known, but witnesses are certain that something took place in the Moorieland Sound one summer's night in 1947. 517 00:44:11,473 --> 00:44:20,473 Did it cause bodily injury to witnesses and was it enough to set off a chain reaction that resulted in the deaths of two army pilots? 518 00:44:20,473 --> 00:44:23,473 The mystery continues. 519 00:44:23,473 --> 00:44:28,473 In the world of UFO reports, you got 90% of them total bulls***, okay? 520 00:44:28,473 --> 00:44:33,473 Either delusional, either out and out hoaxes or honest mistakes. 521 00:44:33,473 --> 00:44:37,473 Fact is there are 10% that are absolutely real. 522 00:44:37,473 --> 00:44:43,473 We will find it because it is there and when we find it, we will prove it.